[Beowulf] Re: blackbox on Mars?
gdjacobs at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 17:23:01 EST 2006
Jim Lux wrote:
> At 10:57 AM 10/30/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Geoff Jacobs wrote:
>>>>>> Mmm... Except... The high res images are from a plane because you
>>>>>> really make out the fine details from a satellite through the earth's
>>>> It's true that most of the Google Earth images are aerial photos, but
>>>> I would imagine that one can get 10s of centimeter resolution from
>>>> on Earth (assuming that clouds aren't in the way). An old
>>>> satellite (Corona) was doing better than 2 meter resolution in the
>>> Absolutely. Assume modern recon sats use a primary mirror similar in
>>> size to the Hubble primary (both made by Perkin-Elmer). Calculating the
>>> Rayleigh limit for an Improved Crystal satellite such as that launched
>>> with USA 186 (Apogee 1050km, Perogee 264km) gives a max resolution of
>>> 7.9cm at 600nm and min resolution 31.5cm at 600nm. Space Imaging
>>> typically quotes max res. of 1m with IKONOS. DigitalGlobe says 61cm in
>>> B&W with their satellites.
>>> I would suspect that methods for dealing with atmospheric degradation is
>>> the secret sauce in the NROs architecture, especially WRT real-time
>>> applications of IMGINT.
> With a nice braadband pipe back to the ground, and a modest rack of
> computers, amazing things are possible, including resolving things below
> the diffraction limit. Look at the stuff people have been doing with
> imaging ISS and Shuttle from the ground with fairly small telescopes.
> Indeed, the variable atmosphere can actually help, because it
> essentially gives you the ability to do multiple samples with
> statistically independent distortions, so you can "average" them to
> reduce the variance. Something else to do with that Beowulf sitting in
> your garage..
I believe these techniques require multiple, short exposure samples.
Apparently, KH-12s have a capability for real time video. I expect the
frame rate from such would make multi-sampling a difficult noise
reduction method to apply.
> I seem to recall that the ambitious amateur can get resolutions less
> than a meter with "available at retail stores" kind of optical equipment.
> There is a ground based optical observing site on Mt. Haleakala to do
> just this sort of thing (or, at least, it's rumored to do so).
>> Awww, what you guys are all trying to tell me seems to be that I
>> shouldn't believe everything I see on 24. So agent Jack Bower really
>> can't call back to CTU to track the driver of the grey mercedes from
>> where he abandons the car to where he disappears into the abandoned
>> military bomb shelter -- at night and independent of the LA weather and
> IR imagery is one thing to think about. Radar is another. X band radar
> (9-10 GHz) easily gives you 3cm sorts of resolution, especially with SAR
IR imagery does allow remote sensing at night, but it is affected by
weather. Also, IR typically has less resolution.
Radar allows all-weather remote sensing. Radar antennas are more easily
compacted for launch, too. However, you won't find Joe Taliban humping
the Hindu Kush with SAR (unless you can image his Kalishnakov).
>> You're really shaking my worldview here. Next you're going to tell me
>> that Gil Grissom can't really prove that the sultry blonde did it from
>> the tiny splinter removed from the carpet at the feet of the victim that
>> could only have come from her imported chopsticks being hurled at high
>> velocity through the victim's brain...;-) Or that they can take the
>> blurred, crappy, low resolution picture from the surveillance videocam
>> in the parking deck, load it into their CSI Windows GUI and click on it
>> to prove that the perp was wearing argyle socks and had a mole on his
>> left butt-cheek by mysteriously increasing the available pixel
>> resolution by 2000% or so.
You forgot the part where they determine a particle of pollen came from
central Mongolia, which they then illustrate with a pretty little graph
using GIS data that, I guess, they just have on hand.
Then again, all this is about as realistic as having forensic
technicians do interviews of murder suspects.
>> I'll bet that MICROSOFT's CSI/beowulf software can do that and match
>> fingerprints too...:-)
But Macs are better at real life stuff... (wave hands vaguely)
> But of course. You have the name wrong, though. That's MS Vista Crime
> Scene Investigation/Clustering Edition, and the surveillance camera
> imagery will need to be processed through an appropriate Digital Rights
> Management system to make sure that you have properly licensed the right
> to superresolution processing, no?
Geoffrey D. Jacobs
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