bob at drzyzgula.org
Wed Sep 24 19:44:42 EDT 2003
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:15:49PM -0700, Greg Lindahl wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:37:45AM +0200, John Hearns wrote:
> > As most of us know, Redhat announced that they are pursuing a new
> > community led development model for future Redhat 'consumer' releases.
> > I'm sure I'm not the only one who was wondering what that meant for the
> > direction of cluster computing.
> It's an interesting question. RedHat's new advice on the matter is
> "buy a copy of Advanced Workstation for every cluster node." They are
> also changing how they do updates to the "consumer" OS; for example, I
> pointed out that xpdf was miscompiled without all the font support in
> RH 9, but RH did not release a fix, they closed the bug report with
> "fixed in RH 10."
Heck, that's nothing -- at least they fixed it. I reported
a bug in the RH 6.1 implementation of kudzu in October
1999. There was no activity in bugzilla until almost three
years later, in June of 2002, and that only amounted to
someone asking "is this fixed yet", and getting the answer
that it was not. That was the last activity on the bug;
the status remains "assigned":
> I suspect that we'll see:
> More use of hobbist distros like Debian
> People putting together freely-copyable ISOs for RedHat AW and AS
> More interest in Mandrake's EU-supported cluster distro
I suppose there's always the posibility that the whole
Fedora/Redhat merge thing will work out, and it will
become a popular non-commercial alternative to Debian.
Also, I'm thinking I must not know enough about Mandrake's
cluster distribution. Looking at their website, it
seems to cost $2320 for 1-8 processors, $4176K for 9-16
processors. Why would a cluster shop that had previously
used Red Hat Linux choose to use Mandrake rather than
Red Hat's Enterprise WS distribution, which costs $299
per single- or dual-processor system, except perhaps on
> The first two will be driven by the general user community, not the
> cluster people; "we" (the cluster community) tend to not do things
> like build our own distros
Actually, I thought that in fact "we" tended to do a lot of
this -- cf. Rocks, Clustermatic, Warewulf -- it's just that
these never seem to capture the market in the same way that
Red Hat always was.
> nor are "we" willing to pay enough for
> vendors (like Scyld) to build cluster distros.
This sounds right.
> > And it supports YUM and apt-get, which can only be a good thing.
> That's a good thing -- much easier than looking around at ftp mirrors
> for updates.
No argument with that.
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