Cluster Poll Results (tangent into OS choices)

Greg Kurtzer gmkurtzer at
Mon Nov 3 20:42:19 EST 2003

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:51:41PM -0700, Mike Snitzer told me:
> Rebuilding RHEL3 into a freebie-ripoff version doesn't pass the smile-test
> for corporations trying to coexist and actually work with Red Hat.  Why
> not focus that questionable rebuilding effort on a more worthwhile task?
> E.g. porting Fedora Core to support amd64, ia64, etc; adding features to
> Fedora Core that are relevant to clustering, etc.

I guess what some would consider a worth while task others would consider a
waste of time. From what I see, Fedora core is an unreasonable solution for me
and I will not be contributing to it while RH holds every seat on the steering
committee and rules all directions. Not that I have anything against RH, it is
just that there is a major conflict of interest, don't you think?

If Fedora gets too good, won't it take business from RHEL?

> > Even though Rocks is based on RedHat distribution, it is complete, which 
> > means you only need to download Rocks ISOs to accomplish your 
> > installation.
> All well and good, but basing a "complete" clustering solution on a reverse
> engineered RHEL is completely underhanded and wrong (regardless of whether
> you feel RH is being greedy or whatever).  Ripping off RHEL is a pretty
> cheap contribution to the advancement of free clustering technology.  But
> maybe this type of thing gets peoples' ROCKS off?

Uhmm, what is reversed engineered? The source _is_ open ya know... ;)

Not that I have anything against what RH is doing, but to prove a point...
Isn't RH taking code from the community, and selling it back to the community
with limitations on redistribution? It seems to me that to accuse the
community of "ripping off" OSS software is a bit harsh.

So as RH has stated, their business model is not about the code, rather their
support models around the code, and their trademark.

Now I do want to mention that I think that RH's new direction is what is
needed for Linux to become a suitable Enterprise solution. This move however
left a vacancy in the community which is why projects are emerging or changing
direction to fix this. It is OSS evolution (see:

> (these views are my own; I just happen to work for a clustering company ;)

My views are also mine and not necessarily shared by my employers. ;)

Greg M. Kurtzer, CSE: Linux cluster specialist
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