1.<br>with a cluster<br>can the controller powered up node's' when it is need <br>and<br>can the controller powered down node's' when it is not need<br>2.<br>that is the different between a computer cluster, computer ray, and computer grid!<br clear="all">
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1. How do I work around this patent? (Jeremy Baker)<br>
2. Re: How do I work around this patent? (Greg Lindahl)<br>
3. RE: How do I work around this patent? (Lux, Jim (337C))<br>
4. Re: How do I work around this patent? (Nifty Tom Mitchell)<br>
5. RE: How do I work around this patent? (Lux, Jim (337C))<br>
6. Re: Re: switching capacity terminology confusion (Rahul Nabar)<br>
7. Re: Re: switching capacity terminology confusion (Rahul Nabar)<br>
8. Microsoft acquires the technology assets of Interactive<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:01:53 -0700<br>
From: Jeremy Baker <<a href="mailto:jellogum@gmail.com">jellogum@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
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I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing when I<br>
was studying biology and the Linux file system, with future goals to write<br>
interesting open source programs. It's the future and I just hit a wall in<br>
the design process of writing code for my study. This problem is related to<br>
the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I<br>
wonder...<br>
<br>
RE: "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit Dec. 24 against NCSoft in the U.S.<br>
District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, Tyler Division, for<br>
violating patent 7181690. The patent is described as a method for enabling<br>
users to interact in a virtual space through avatars."<br>
<br>
Online read on patents:<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045</a><br>
<br>
Can someone help me to better understand how these patents interact with the<br>
open source bazaar method of programing, Linux, the law, GIS systems with<br>
meta data that is essentially 3-D access for a user's avatar, etc? I am<br>
having flow chart issues that are not flowing... and I am now back to the<br>
world of research (patents) when I would rather be writing and compiling<br>
software.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jeremy Baker<br>
PO 297<br>
Johnson, VT<br>
05656<br>
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:10:57 -0700<br>
From: Greg Lindahl <<a href="mailto:lindahl@pbm.com">lindahl@pbm.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
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> This problem is related to<br>
> the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I<br>
> wonder...<br>
<br>
This is fairly off-topic for this list, but:<br>
<br>
It's basically impossible to write any significant program these days<br>
without infringing on dozens or hundreds of patents. The standard<br>
legal advice to software startups is to not read any patents, in order<br>
to avoid willful infringement. *If* you get sued, then it's worth<br>
looking at the patent in question to see if you can work around it.<br>
You can see this process in action in Linux with the argument over<br>
workarounds for the "long names in FAT filesystems" patent.<br>
<br>
The area you're apparenetly interested in, virtual worlds, likely has<br>
a zillion patents with a lot of overlap. The situation is the same for<br>
things like distributed filesystems, compilers, and perhaps MPI.<br>
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-- greg<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:55:11 -0700<br>
From: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <<a href="mailto:james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov">james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
Subject: RE: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
To: Jeremy Baker <<a href="mailto:jellogum@gmail.com">jellogum@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>"<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org">beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org">beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jeremy Baker<br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:02 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
<br>
I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing when I was studying biology and the Linux file system, with future goals to write interesting open source programs. It's the future and I just hit a wall in the design process of writing code for my study. This problem is related to the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I wonder...<br>
<br>
RE: "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit Dec. 24 against NCSoft in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, Tyler Division, for violating patent 7181690. The patent is described as a method for enabling users to interact in a virtual space through avatars."<br>
<br>
Online read on patents:<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045</a><br>
<br>
Can someone help me to better understand how these patents interact with the open source bazaar method of programing, Linux, the law, GIS systems with meta data that is essentially 3-D access for a user's avatar, etc? I am having flow chart issues that are not flowing... and I am now back to the world of research (patents) when I would rather be writing and compiling software.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
<br>
First off, you should know that only the claims determine what the patent covers. The rest of the patent is just useful information. You need to decide if your application "reads on" the claims. Hiring a patent attorney used to doing this kind of analysis is useful.. a few hundred bucks well spent. Note there's a hierarchy of claims here.. Claim 1 is a big claim, and then, 2,3,4,and 5 hang on Claim 1.<br>
<br>
Glancing through the claims, it looks like they are patenting a scheme very much like described in Michael Crichton's "Disclosure", especially with avatars for other users. Or any of a number of other multi user schemes.<br>
<br>
Maybe your implementation doesn't read on the claims. I note that most of the claims specifically reference "less than all the other users'" etc. If your implementation has your local client receiving ALL the other user info, then this patent doesn't apply. (Claims 1,6, 9, 10, 11, 15, and 18 all have the "less than all" wording, the rest are subordinate claims)<br>
<br>
<br>
In any case, if what you are doing happens to match the claims, you can always try to break the patent (i.e. find a prior disclosure of what's being patented.. a description in a novel might actually be good enough.. consult your patent attorney). Or, you can patent something yourself, and then offer to cross license with the holder here. Maybe <a href="http://worlds.com" target="_blank">worlds.com</a> would be willing?<br>
<br>
Whether you are doing open source or not doesn't really have any influence on whether something is infringing. If you're doing something described by the claims, you're infringing.<br>
<br>
Note that this patent was originally applied for in the mid 90s.. going to be dicey on the prior art.<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:07:41 -0700<br>
From: Nifty Tom Mitchell <<a href="mailto:niftyompi@niftyegg.com">niftyompi@niftyegg.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
To: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <<a href="mailto:james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov">james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20090922230741.GA9189@tosh2egg.ca.sanfran.comcast.net">20090922230741.GA9189@tosh2egg.ca.sanfran.comcast.net</a>><br>
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:55:11PM -0700, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote:<br>
> Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
><br>
> I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing...<br>
<br>
><br>
> "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit .... for violating patent 7181690.<br>
<br>
This sounds like this is a patent for implementing the dictionary<br>
definition of an avatar. The dictionary definition may provide prior art ;-)<br>
and narrow their applicability.<br>
<br>
Reading through it the implementation includes bits I know or suspect to<br>
be in well known programs like Microsoft Flight simulator, the SGI "dog"<br>
multiuser flight simulator an SGI paper airplane demo that prunes the 3D<br>
space to render and interact with all combined with bits of centralized<br>
"Go" and "Chess" game servers that have been out there almost as long<br>
as the internet. And Big Bertha networked progressive slot machines too..<br>
<br>
Greg and Jim's comments are spot on.<br>
Greg has his name on some clever patents, I do not know abut Jim.<br>
<br>
One of the critical points in a patent is that it not be obvious.<br>
So the point that you should not look at patents is spot on. If<br>
you reinvent the idea with trivial effort - one point to you.<br>
<br>
So.. Unplug your development stations from the Internet and go back<br>
to work in isolation on a private internet. Document your design and<br>
go see a patent attorney with your design. Update the design and send<br>
him/her updates on a regular basis. In some cases he does not need to<br>
read them, just date and file them. In your design document comment on<br>
all the moving parts, trivial, clever, novel, critical to the product etc.<br>
A good one may also see value in things you might dismiss.<br>
Keep the inventor list up to date too.<br>
<br>
One IMPORTANT point is the moment (date time stamp) that your code is<br>
seen live outside of the lab. Alpha and Beta testers can start the clock<br>
for you on some critical bits. Same for investor disclosure without NDA etc...<br>
demos for the kids etc.<br>
<br>
Good legal advice can help on all these bits.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
T o m M i t c h e l l<br>
Found me a new hat, now what?<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:12:44 -0700<br>
From: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <<a href="mailto:james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov">james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
Subject: RE: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent?<br>
To: Nifty Tom Mitchell <<a href="mailto:niftyompi@niftyegg.com">niftyompi@niftyegg.com</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>><br>
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> Greg and Jim's comments are spot on.<br>
> Greg has his name on some clever patents, I do not know abut Jim.<br>
><br>
<br>
I don't know that it's necessarily clever, but US 5,971,765 is mine...<br>
It's certainly unique... (and has been litigated, too..)<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:51:40 -0400<br>
From: Rahul Nabar <<a href="mailto:rpnabar@gmail.com">rpnabar@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Re: switching capacity terminology confusion<br>
To: Nifty Tom Mitchell <<a href="mailto:niftyompi@niftyegg.com">niftyompi@niftyegg.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Nifty Tom Mitchell<br>
<<a href="mailto:niftyompi@niftyegg.com">niftyompi@niftyegg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> The cluster itself needs very little in the way of special services and can be<br>
> setup and managed as a homogeneous soft gooey center with a hard crusty<br>
> outside. A "simple" but fast switch with enough ports seems sufficient.<br>
> NFS traffic (fast cascading funnel tree) can be different than say MPI traffic<br>
> with all hosts communicating at the same time with all the neighbors (one big cross bar).<br>
> Your cluster design may well shape your switch benchmark testing.<br>
<br>
Yup, I guess we need to wait for a "simple computing" switch model for<br>
HPC just like siilar offerings on the compute server side recently.<br>
I've had not much success getting any significant discounts or<br>
evaluation switches off my local Cisco Vendors. Now if only there are<br>
any Cisco powers-that-be on this mailing list............ :-)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Rahul<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:53:55 -0400<br>
From: Rahul Nabar <<a href="mailto:rpnabar@gmail.com">rpnabar@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Re: switching capacity terminology confusion<br>
To: H?kon Bugge <<a href="mailto:h-bugge@online.no">h-bugge@online.no</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:c4d69730909222053v768a6f46j63319d20a959f3a3@mail.gmail.com">c4d69730909222053v768a6f46j63319d20a959f3a3@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Håkon Bugge <<a href="mailto:h-bugge@online.no">h-bugge@online.no</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> You might check out the reports from the Tolly Group (<a href="http://www.tolly.com" target="_blank">www.tolly.com</a>), they<br>
> used to evaluate different eth switches. Not sure how un-biased they are<br>
> though.<br>
<br>
Thanks Hakon! The Tolly group is definately a good lead. i found some<br>
Dell reviews on there. But Cisco switches seem non existant. The three<br>
reviews that I could find were from back in the 90's!<br>
<br>
--<br>
Rahul<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:26:05 +0200<br>
From: Eugen Leitl <<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Beowulf] Microsoft acquires the technology assets of<br>
Interactive Supercomputing (ISC)<br>
To: <a href="mailto:Beowulf@beowulf.org">Beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20090923132605.GZ27331@leitl.org">20090923132605.GZ27331@leitl.org</a>><br>
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FYI<br>
<br>
<a href="http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/archive/2009/09/21/microsoft-has-acquired-the-technology-assets-of-interactive-supercomputing-isc.aspx" target="_blank">http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/archive/2009/09/21/microsoft-has-acquired-the-technology-assets-of-interactive-supercomputing-isc.aspx</a><br>
<br>
Microsoft acquires the technology assets of Interactive Supercomputing (ISC)<br>
<br>
Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
Today, I’m very excited to announce that Microsoft has acquired the<br>
technology assets of Interactive Supercomputing (ISC), a company that<br>
specializes in bringing the power of parallel computing to the desktop and<br>
making high performance computing more accessible to end users. This move<br>
represents our ongoing commitment to parallel computing and high performance<br>
computing (HPC) and will bring together complementary technologies that will<br>
help simplify the complexity and difficulty of expressing problems that can<br>
be parallelized. ISC’s products and technology enable faster prototyping,<br>
iteration, and deployment of large-scale parallel solutions, which is well<br>
aligned with our vision of making high performance computing and parallel<br>
computing easier, both on the desktop and in the cluster.<br>
<br>
Bill Blake, CEO of ISC, is bringing over a team of industry leading experts<br>
on parallel and high performance computing that will join the Microsoft team<br>
at the New England Research & Development Center in Cambridge, MA. He and I<br>
are both excited to start working together on the next generation of<br>
technology for researchers, analysts, and engineers, as well as those who<br>
have yet to be exposed to the benefits of parallel computing and HPC<br>
technologies or may have thought they were out of reach.<br>
<br>
We have recently begun plans to integrate ISC technologies into future<br>
versions of Microsoft products and will provide more information over the<br>
coming months on where and how that integration will occur. Beginning<br>
immediately, Microsoft will provide support for ISC’s current Star-P<br>
customers and we are committed to continually listening to customer needs as<br>
we develop the next generation of HPC and parallel computing technologies.<br>
I’m looking forward to the opportunities our two combined groups have to<br>
greatly improve the capability, performance, and accessibility of parallel<br>
computing and HPC technologies.<br>
<br>
You can find more information on HPC and parallel computing at Microsoft in<br>
these links and stay up to date on integration news and updates at Microsoft<br>
Pathways, our acquisition information site.<br>
<br>
Kyril Faenov<br>
<br>
General Manager, High Performance & Parallel Computing Technologies<br>
<br>
Filed under: HPC, High Performance Computing, windows hpc server 2008,<br>
Parallel Computing<br>
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