[Beowulf] Re: overclocking with liquids
James.P.Lux at jpl.nasa.gov
Sat Sep 22 10:48:37 EDT 2007
At 08:21 PM 9/21/2007, richard.walsh at comcast.net wrote:
> Jim Lux wrote:
> > The disadvantage of oil? It's a mess if you have to remove the stuff.
>Why doesn't anyone ever mention higher heat capacity, relatively inert gases?
>How does the heat capacity of pure CO2 or N2 compare with air?
N2 is basically the same as air. Almost all (diatomic) gases have
essentially the same specific heat. One might be able to move more
heat by using a denser gas, but the pumping losses and aerodynamic
drag(windage) will be greater (i.e. it goes as rho)...
What you might want to look into is low viscosity gases. He and
H2? High speed turbogenerators are cooled with hydrogen to reduce
the windage losses, but H2 has all sorts of practical problems (the
molecules are so small it leaks out through tiny, tiny holes and cracks)
> There must
>be other candidates that would give you 2 maybe 3 times the heat
>without being a mess. Kind of like global warming ... ;-) ... but inside your
But how do you measure heat transfer ability...?
If you've got to move a certain amount of heat off a surface, you
have to run a certain amount of something by. Either you pick a
2x-3x denser gas and run at the same volumetric rate, or you use the
same gas and run it at a 2x-3x higher volumetric rate. The mechanical
work to move that mass past the device scales roughly as the mass
rate. (There are a lot of subtle practicalities, including looking
at things the whether it's laminar or turbulent flow, what the
Reynolds number is, etc. A whole cluster could be put to work just
doing the fluid dynamics calculations...)
>My friends at 3M must have thought about this ... maybe, I'll ask.
James Lux, P.E.
Spacecraft Radio Frequency Subsystems Group
Flight Communications Systems Section
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Mail Stop 161-213
4800 Oak Grove Drive
Pasadena CA 91109
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