[Beowulf] Big storage
tortay at cc.in2p3.fr
Fri Sep 14 03:32:54 EDT 2007
According to Leif Nixon:
> > There are two reasons:
> > . ZFS has built-in error detection (through "zpool scrub") and we are
> > (maybe naively) relying on this to detect and correct data corruption
> > which would be otherwise silent;
> It *would* be interesting to see if the ZFS checksumming lives up to
> its promises.
During the last HEPiX meeting, Peter Kelemen mentionned something told
to him by a ZFS developer (Jeff Bonwick, if I'm not mistaken) about
data corrupted by a Fibre Channel HBA during transfer between disk and
host. ZFS, reportedly, detected (and corrected) the corruption.
Of course a ZFS developer may be biased.
I'm probably mis-remembering some of the technical details about this,
since they seem quite unlikely now (something about the laser beam
being somehow "corrupted", but I think this would be detected by the
Fibre Channel link protocols or upper layers checksums).
The technical explanation was probably more akin to data corruption
during DMA transfer from the HBA to the host memory.
If you remember some of the figures Peter gave, most of the corruptions
they found were not random/spontaneous. A very large majority was due
to buggy hard disk firmware and another significant part to a batch of
His slides are available there:
> I still think it would be interesting to see how often one gets data
> corruption from other sources than disk errors (presuming ZFS is
> perfect). Data corruption is data corruption even if its from bad
> cache memory.
Indeed, data corruption is data corruption wherever it comes from.
But since fsprobe writes its own data to disk, it can't test for
corruptions on data (and metadata) which is already stored, leaving
whole part of the disks untested on machines were files are static
(system disks, program binaries, archives, etc.)
On the other hand, ZFS has a "parity check on read" feature which
should be able to detect these corruptions.
If the data is corrupted during the transfer from disk to memory or in
memory before it's moved to userland it will (supposedly) be spotted by
If the data is corrupted in memory on a machine on which we use ZFS,
then the machine is badly failing since they're all supposed to have
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