[Beowulf] Web interfaces for yer cluster.

Nathan Moore ntmoore at gmail.com
Fri Oct 26 10:36:11 EDT 2007


As I recall, the AHPCRC (in Minneapolis) had one of these "submit via web
gui" systems up and running in the mid-late 90's.  As I was on site, I never
had training on the system, but I remember there being buttons to replicate
almost the entire shell.

I never heard their motivation for developing the system.  Other list
members (Richard Walsh?) might have better memory of the system.

NT Moore

On 10/26/07, Bill Bryce <bill at platform.com> wrote:
>
> In response to the question:
>
> > PBS, Cluster Resources, and LSF all have some type of web portal where
> you > can do some of these things. Of course they are commercial and
> sometimes
> > not always the most flexible.
>
> Do they expose some sort of API as well?
>
> There is the DRMAA api that SGE, PBS and yes even for LSF
> (http://www.fedstage.com/wiki/FedStage_DRMAA_for_LSF).  That API is used
> to create portals, and other submission/management tools.
>
> There is also the HPC Profile Working Group within the OGF that is
> moving forward with other interesting projects such as HPCP (High
> Performance Computing Profile), BES (Basic Execution Service), and JSDL
> (Job Submission Description Language) this all ties into OGSA (they will
> be demonstrating this stuff at SC07) a BES implementation is available
> at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bespp/
>
> DRMAA has been around longer and is now supported by all major batch
> systems, the OGF stuff is pretty new - but interesting.
>
> Bill.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-bounces at beowulf.org]
> On Behalf Of Kozin, I (Igor)
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:31 AM
> To: Mark Hahn; Jeffrey B. Layton
> Cc: Beowulf List
> Subject: RE: [Beowulf] Web interfaces for yer cluster.
>
>
> > really?  is it that the can't scrape up enough unix-able people
> > to keep their clusters busy?  (I would want to know why - for
> instance,
> > do they build clusters that are too small to be interesting, or
> somehow
> > hard to use?  note that it doesn't take much *nix literacy at all to
> > get along great - mainly it's an issue of whether the user is offended
> > by anything non-mouse-driven.)
>
> The idea behind this strategy is that if you make your HPC centre
> accessible to a large and diverse user community you will be less
> susceptible to (minor) problems in your financial support stream since
> you broaden up your options.
>
> > there have been many systems which aim to reduce real apps to basic
> > <button>compute!</button> interface.  I've never quite understood why
> > they're so seductive, since that level of automation is mainly
> justified
> > if you really do wind up pressing the button very frequently.
>
> There are a number of scientific applications with rather well developed
> GUIs which are really useful and portable. The next obvious thing to do
> is to integrate somehow the GUI with a job manager. I'm not talking here
> about interactive steering where such a link is vital. I'm talking about
> an interface where you compose your job, submit it and view the result,
> and I'm not sure whether a web interface is ideal for this. Some have
> done this already, others are still thinking but it would be still worth
> the effort to come up with a common API for such programs to use.
>
> > PBS, Cluster Resources, and LSF all have some type of web portal where
> you > can do some of these things. Of course they are commercial and
> sometimes
> > not always the most flexible.
>
> Do they expose some sort of API as well?
>
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