[Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

Vincent Diepeveen diep at xs4all.nl
Thu Nov 8 19:22:28 EST 2007


Very good remark Jim,

Another complicating factor is that for intel and amd there is  
definitely ready available libraries written in assembly that are  
lightning fast,
whereas for C* type processors i can't remember there is much, as  
your "more Ghz into battle is better rule" always means that the C*  
chip is gonna be slower anyway,
also in future incarnations over intel&amd, so why bother writing  
good libraries for that chip?

Vincent

On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Jim Lux wrote:

> At 11:04 AM 11/8/2007, Peter St. John wrote:
>> Vincent,
>> That's tough for me to answer, presumably the 1.5 is cheaper per  
>> hertz
>> in power than a 3 GHz, but because of the other issues it may not be
>> cheaper in GFLOPS per power. No hablo EE.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2007 1:58 PM, Vincent Diepeveen <diep at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> > For a compute cluster wouldn't it be a thought to also consider the
>> > cost of 3 years of nonstop electricity for the amount of gflops it
>> > delivers?
>> >
>
>
> In general, a N GHz processor will be poorer in a flops/Watt sense  
> than a 2N GHz processor.
>
> The power draw is a combination of a fixed load plus a frequency  
> dependent load, so for the SAME processor, running it at N/2 GHz  
> consumes more than 50% of the power of running it at N GHz.
>
> If you go to a faster processor design, the frequency dependent  
> load gets smaller (smaller feature sizes= smaller capacitance to  
> charge and discharge on each transition).  The core voltage is also  
> usually smaller on higher speed processors, which also reduces the  
> power dissipation (smaller number of joules to change the voltage  
> from zero to one or vice versa).  So, in general, a 2N GHz  
> processor consumes less than twice the power of a N GHz processor.
>
> Complicating this all is:
> a) A significant fraction of the load in a PC is all the other  
> stuff that's toggling back and forth, like memory address and data  
> lines.  This will be driven more by the FSB speed, which might be  
> the same for the two processors.
> b) You may have a lower core voltage, but the regulator making that  
> voltage may or may not be as efficient.
> c) Power supply efficiency can vary a LOT from model to model.  All  
> the way from 50% for a really crummy design to 95% for a good design.
> d) Faster processors aren't necessarily architecturally identical  
> to slower processors. They may have different pipeline depths,  
> different microcode, different ALU strategies, etc.  It's not just  
> a matter of shrinking the masks and turning up the clock.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>

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