[Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

Vincent Diepeveen diep at xs4all.nl
Thu Nov 8 18:49:46 EST 2007


Can you actually show which software you run to get those gflops?

Actual truth currently is that the quadcores are far superior because  
of the power draw in the long run for number crunching and a far bigger,
though far from 2x faster processing speed than dual cores.

for real low power number crunching of course you don't put in  
harddrives, that wastes energy for nothing as well as money.
boot from usb obviously. Core2 is far superior, and barcelona core  
based chips still have to show up;

AMD's oldie K8 is nowhere near the speed you need for number  
crunching with double precision floating points to core2.

In all cases the power draw of those cpu's, regardless whether it's  
intel or AMD, is eating up way more watts than they quote on the  
internet for TDP's.
Calculating with those tdp's is quite impossible.

A quadcore 2.4Ghz machine, without harddrive, definitely when  
measured with a good multimeter and a reasonable power efficient  
power supply, was measured at around 170 watts.

If you replace that cpu by some other cpu, you might perhaps get away  
with a tad less, but still close to that 170 watt.

For number crunching for say a year, 170 watt hammers in bigtime into  
energy costs.

So putting a dualcore chip inside is a ridicioulous thought in itself.

On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Having some experience with low cost hardware, If you are
> doing number crunching multi-core seems to provide the
> best bang for buck. The following is the HPL performance that
> you can get for $2500. The Kronos and Microwulf clusters
> are detailed on http://clustermonkey.net, Norbert is the subject
> of a November Linux Magazine article.
>
>                                          CPU
> Cluster Name                  Clock      Release           HPL
>    Processor               Speed (MHz)   Date         Performance
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kronos/Sempron 2500+ (8)        1750   7/2004    14.90 GFLOPS (Atlas)
> Microwulf/Athlon64 X2 3800+ (4) 2000   8/2005    26.25 GFLOPS (Goto)
> Norbert/Core Duo E6550 (4)      2333   7/2007    45.55 GFLOPS (Goto)
>
>
> If you draw a line (3 points I know) you get to 80 GFLOPS
> by 2010. Actually with some tweaking I got Norbert
> up to 47.7 HPL GFLOPS. And, notice I qaulify the performance
> as "HPL GFLOPS" as YMMV.
>
> With really low cost systems one important aspect is the
> interconnect. The PCIe buses on low end motherboards allows
> one to use inexpensive PCIe (Intel) Ethernet cards vs
> 32 PCI. Some of the on-board GigE implementations are
> not very good.
>
> --
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>> Recently, probably you noticed, Walmart began selling a $200 linux  
>> PC.
>> (Apparently the OS is just Ubuntu 7.10 with a small xindow manager
>> instead of Gnome or KDE). Now Slashdot points to
>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html, the MB being sold
>> separately for $60 ("development board"). It has 1.5GHz CPU,
>> unpopulated memory (slots for 2GB), one 10/100 connection. Does this
>> look to y'all like fair FLOPS/$ for a kitchen project? I'm thinking 6
>> of them as compute nodes per 8 port router, with a bigger head node
>> for fileserving. (actually I'll use a spare room but you know what I
>> mean). An arrangement like this might be faster RAM access per core,
>> compared to multicore, since each core has no competition for is't  
>> own
>> memory, right?
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
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