[Beowulf] Re: failure trends in a large disk drive population
James.P.Lux at jpl.nasa.gov
Thu Feb 22 20:12:10 EST 2007
At 12:30 PM 2/22/2007, David Mathog wrote:
>Jim Lux wrote:
> > >Now we need to know exactly how you defined "failed".
> > The paper defined failed as "requiring the computer to be pulled"
> > whether or not the disk was actually dead.
>That was sort of my point, if you're looking for indicators that
>lead to "failed disk" there should be a precise definition of
>what "failed disk" is. How am I to know what criteria Google uses
>for classifying a machine as nonfunctioning? If the system is
>pulled because the CPU blew up it's one thing, but if they pulled it
>for any disk related reason, we need to know how bad "bad" was.
True.. there's a paragraph or so of how they determined "failed"
(e.g. they didn't include drives removed from service because of
> > I would make the case that it's not worth it to even glance at the
> > outside of the case of a dead unit, much less do failure analysis on
> > the power supply. FA is expensive, new computers are not. Pitch the
> > dead (or "not quite dead yet, but suspect") computer, slap in a new
> > one and go on.
>Well, they cared enough to do the study!
Or, more realistically, that the small dollars spent on the study to
identify a possible connection was tiny enough that it's probably
down in the overall budgetary noise floor.
>I think the heart of the problem is that disk failures are a bit like
>airplane crashes: everything looks great until something snaps and then
>the plane goes down shortly thereafter.
I think one of the values of the study was that it actually did
demonstrate just that.. you really can't do a very good job
predicting failures in advance, so you'd better have a system in
place to deal with the inevitable failures while they're in service.
And, of course, they have some "real numbers" on failure rates, which
is useful in and of itself, regardless of whether the failures could
James Lux, P.E.
Spacecraft Radio Frequency Subsystems Group
Flight Communications Systems Section
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Mail Stop 161-213
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