list managemnt issue

Joel Jaeggli joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu
Thu Nov 13 10:56:17 EST 2003


Its not spam. it's a bunged mailserver and messages bounce to the sender
rather than the list admins. mail to both postmaster and the techincal
admin contact for that domain have failed. I have thirteen messages in my
lamer folder from yesterday from their mailer telling me it couldn't
deliver the message. If you can't configure your mta properly you don't
belong on mailing lists, period, end of story.

joelja



On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Gerry Creager N5JXS wrote:

> Can someone *NOT* blackhole anyone?
> 
> I'm sorry Joel.  This is a hot-button.  I've found myself blackholed in 
> the past because I was on an ISDN modem, on DSL, from a University, and 
> once for an open relay... that I didn't run.
> 
> Getting out of the blackhole list is a PITA, and sometimes unachievable.
> 
> I've firmly decided that blackhole/blacklisting spammers/potential 
> spammers/someone I just don't like/etc. isn't the answer.  I've had 
> considerable success with graylisting, but that's not the problem here.
> 
> What I guess I'm asking here is for the listadmin to unceremoniously 
> unsubscribe *@systemsfirm.net for much the same reason you asked for 
> them to be blackholed.
> 
> Blacklist/blackhole implementations are, IMO, broken at best, and a 
> number of the administrators of same I've dealt with are pompous 
> juveniles who can't interact with a human when they make a mistake.
> 
> gerry
> 
> Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> > can some plase blackhole anyone at systemsfirm.net their mailserver has 
> > been perodically bouncing messages sent to the list for weeks...
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:16:00 -0500
> > From: postmaster at systemsfirm.net
> > To: joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu
> > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> > Parts/Attachments:
> >    1   Shown      8 lines  Text (charset: Unknown)
> >    2   Shown    338 bytes  Message, "Delivery Status"
> >    3   Shown    5.4 KB     Message, "Re: building a RAID system"
> >    3.1 Shown    ~43 lines  Text
> > ----------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
> >     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> >          Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:03:31 -0500
> > Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net ([68.49.45.176]) by  ; Wed,
> >      15 Oct 2003 00:36:09 -0500
> > Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
> >     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> >          Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:42 -0400
> > Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net ([68.49.45.176]) by  ; Tue,
> >      14 Oct 2003 23:02:08 -0500
> > Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
> >     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> >          Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:50:47 -0400
> > Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net ([68.49.45.176]) by  ; Tue,
> >      14 Oct 2003 21:59:52 -0500
> > Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
> >     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> >          Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:59:51 -0400
> > Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net ([68.49.45.176]) by  ; Tue,
> >      14 Oct 2003 21:07:45 -0500
> > Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
> >     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> >          Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:07:45 -0400
> > Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > Received: from newblue.scyld.com ([64.237.107.19]) by  ; Wed,
> >      08 Oct 2003 17:42:03 -0500
> > Received: from NewBlue.scyld.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
> >         by localhost.localdomain (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id 
> > h98L0tb28952;
> >         Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:00:55 -0400
> > Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (root at darkwing.uoregon.edu
> >     [128.223.142.13])
> >         by NewBlue.scyld.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h98Kvqb28616
> >         for <beowulf at beowulf.org>; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:57:53 -0400
> > Received: from twin.uoregon.edu (twin.uoregon.edu [128.223.214.27])
> >         by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id
> >     h98KwHEA005624
> >         (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168
> >     verify=NOT);
> >         Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> > X-X-Sender: joelja at twin.uoregon.edu
> > To: Daniel Fernandez <daniel at labtie.mmt.upc.es>
> > cc: beowulf at beowulf.org
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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