list managemnt issue

Gerry Creager N5JXS gerry.creager at tamu.edu
Thu Nov 13 10:39:53 EST 2003


Can someone *NOT* blackhole anyone?

I'm sorry Joel.  This is a hot-button.  I've found myself blackholed in 
the past because I was on an ISDN modem, on DSL, from a University, and 
once for an open relay... that I didn't run.

Getting out of the blackhole list is a PITA, and sometimes unachievable.

I've firmly decided that blackhole/blacklisting spammers/potential 
spammers/someone I just don't like/etc. isn't the answer.  I've had 
considerable success with graylisting, but that's not the problem here.

What I guess I'm asking here is for the listadmin to unceremoniously 
unsubscribe *@systemsfirm.net for much the same reason you asked for 
them to be blackholed.

Blacklist/blackhole implementations are, IMO, broken at best, and a 
number of the administrators of same I've dealt with are pompous 
juveniles who can't interact with a human when they make a mistake.

gerry

Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> can some plase blackhole anyone at systemsfirm.net their mailserver has 
> been perodically bouncing messages sent to the list for weeks...
> 
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:16:00 -0500
> From: postmaster at systemsfirm.net
> To: joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu
> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> Parts/Attachments:
>    1   Shown      8 lines  Text (charset: Unknown)
>    2   Shown    338 bytes  Message, "Delivery Status"
>    3   Shown    5.4 KB     Message, "Re: building a RAID system"
>    3.1 Shown    ~43 lines  Text
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Received: from topcat ([111.111.111.3]) by topcat.systemsfirm.net with
>     Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
>          Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:03:31 -0500
> Return-Path: <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> Received: from topcat.systemsfirm.net ([68.49.45.176]) by  ; Wed,
>      15 Oct 2003 00:36:09 -0500
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>         by localhost.localdomain (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id 
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> From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
> X-X-Sender: joelja at twin.uoregon.edu
> To: Daniel Fernandez <daniel at labtie.mmt.upc.es>
> cc: beowulf at beowulf.org
> 
> 

-- 
Gerry Creager -- gerry.creager at tamu.edu
Network Engineering -- AATLT, Texas A&M University	
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