Lahey Licensing of Fortran compiler for Linux - in detail ;-)
ctierney at hpti.com
Fri Jan 17 16:55:09 EST 2003
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:41:20PM +0100, Marnix Petrarca wrote:
> I have an answer from Lahey for you gentlemen; let me know if there are
> questions (not that I know everything ;-) I cleaned the message up bit
> though, save some bndwdth.
> Hope this helps, good weekend all.
> Bye -- Marnix
> Start answer:"
> Question 1 - Lahey does NOT require a license for every cluster that uses
> executable code created with a Lahey compiler. A cluster license authorizes
> the developer to create code for specific cluster SIZES. I would refer you
> to page 3 of our price list. Look at the LF95 v6.1 Express 2 user license
> for 64 CPUs. The price is a one time cost of $1,120. The license allows
> two users to simultaneously develop programs for use on clusters of up to 64
> CPUs in size. The code that is developed can be distributed to an UNLIMITED
> number of clusters ranging in size from 5 to 64 CPUs. The clusters running
> the executable code do not need a Lahey compiler, nor do they pay any fees
> to Lahey.
> Question 2 - The reader is misinterpreting the intent of the standard,
> single user license. The clause that disturbs him allows single user
> licenses to be used on clusters of up to 4 CPUs without paying ANY
> additional charges. This clause permits a user of a standard, single user
> license to set up and evaluate the merits of a cluster without having to
> purchase a cluster license from Lahey. That does NOT mean a license is
> required for every 4 CPUs in a cluster. The same Express cluster license
> mentioned in Question 1 would suffice for this reader's 44 CPU cluster. Two
> users can simultaneously develop programs for his 44 CPU cluster at a cost
> of $1,120. He mistakenly interprets the terms of the license to mean he
> needs 11 licenses -- a cost of $2,739 for a single user, $5,478 for two
> users. The actual cost is about 1/5 of that price. Furthermore, the reader
> can expand his cluster from the current 44 CPUs to 64 CPUs at no additional
> cost. If the target cluster should expand beyond 64 CPUs, the license can
> be modified to support 256+ CPUs at a price of $560.
> Marnix, you can refer these and other readers to page 3 of our price list
> for accurate cluster pricing. The various compilers are listed on a table
> with clusters of various sizes. Educational discounts are also listed where
> Hopefully, this clears up some of the misconceptions about our cluster
> policy. If you, or any of your customers, have any questions I would be
> glad to explain in greater detail.
My point is that I have 4 front ends and 768 nodes (dual proc). With the Intel and
Portland Group compilers I have to purchase 4 compilers. That is it.
Lahey I have to license my cluster. Why?
What if I wanted to distribute (or sell) my executable? Does Lahey expect
all of my users/customers to have licenses for their product? How different
is this from how a cluster works. I don't want to compile on all nodes, just
a subset of nodes.
If Lahey is providing something else for the cluster of value (mpi debugging or
profiling tools, etc.) I can understand where the cost would be dependent on
the number of nodes. It is my impression that they are not.
The answers provide above were the same answers I got at SC2001. They don't make
sense to me when other vendors are doing it differently.
Craig Tierney (ctierney at hpti.com)
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